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Mon, Apr. 21st, 2008 03:06 pm
Time to put my thinking cap on!

No classes today, yay! I can take the time to do some stuff around the house, finish my homework, and just relax

Last week a classmate gave me his me his Nintendo DS to borrow. The only Zelda game I haven't been able to play was Phantom Hourglass because it's on that system and I didn't want to waste money on getting one, so he let me borrow his system and his game. He also got me a Link figure from Twilight Princess that he saw when in an anime shop. My mom says he has a crush on me. I'm flattered but also conflicted if this is true. If I date, I really only want to date a Jewish boy. I have nothing wrong with other religions and personally wouldn't mind dating a non-Jew. What happens if it becomes serious though? What if I fall for the guy, any guy for that matter? I can't marry a non-Jew, that'll create way too much drama. Again, I really could care less. They say that inter-religion marriages are terrible for raising families but I'm not religious, and what if my non-Jewish husband isn't religious as well? I'd go to my mother's for Passover Seders and I'd light the menorah on Chanukah. I'd teach my children to respect both religious...all religions. For that matter, any child born from me would automatically be Jewish. If the mother is Jewish, the children are Jewish. I'd get along with his family (hopefully) and would respect that he's not a Jew. It would still cause drama though, many people in my family would make him feel less then welcome and I really don't want to have to deal with that! Easier to date a Jewish person, even if he's only Jewish by name and doesn't celebrate at all.
You might be thinking "Sara, it's only one guy. It probably wouldn't get serious."
True, true. I get attached very easily though, the few friendships I have are extremely important to me. I'm attached to all of you and , my friendship with imonsie is extremely important to me (I consider her family), and I cling to the only family member that shows affection and care for me (Ben).

I don't make friends easily, at least not offline. I can talk easier to people online, it's just easier for me to open up when I'm not looking at the person. I have more serious conversations with Monsie online then when we're actually together, and I can usually tell her anything. The only person I can have a serious discussion in person is Ben and that's because we can barely talk for a good length of time except when we are together! He's always so busy so it's usually just texting, with maybe one-on-one phone chats every other month! I can open up to you guys much easier then I can to my therapist, I consider nearly everybody on my f-list to be more then internet pals, but real friends. I say some of you because I guess I have some lurkers on my lj from various communities that I haven't really talked with.

I made a point to go to NYC a few years ago so I could meet one of you, somebody who I consider a real and true friend. I had fun in NYC but the main reason I went was to meet her, somebody I knew online for a few years.
I got off subject didn't I? Well, point is, I get really attached. I'd fall for a guy really fast, I just know it. At this point in my life, I really don't want to casually date. I think my first boyfriend would be casual only because he would be my first boyfriend (having one or two dates doesn't make a boyfriend for me). It'll just be easier for me to get attached to a Jewish boy then a non-Jew...
Blah!

Wow, I really want to talk about other stuff. The above stuff was only supposed to be a small blurb, it became this huge thing! Ah LJ, my outlet.
As for the guy I mentioned, he could just be friendly. At least I have a gamer friend! I have plans to go to his house to play video games later this month, sweet!

The Seders were alright. The first night we were supposed to have only sixteen people, that's so little for us! However, things happened and the number went up to the usual number for our Seders; 29 people came. Crazy! The second night only about 8 people came, that was lovely!

We have these family friends, I've mentioned them a few times. The wife thinks that "the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim" (how awful!) and the husband is the pervert who thinks that Ben and I could be "kissing cousins" because of our bond.
They're both nice people despite their...views. Well, we all got in a discussion and I found myself agreeing with Phillip, which is rare for me!
We were talking about the Pope and how our respect for him went up after he willingly admitted that Jesus was a Jew, and his views on peace. He went into a Jewish synagouge. The wife, Ellise, has a problem with that. She thinks people of different religions shouldn't go into other faith's places of worship. "We should be separate."
It's that view that causes problems! The Jewish girl I've mentioned a few times (the one that got engaged just recently) ripped into me for visiting St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC. Why!? What is the big deal!? It's an absolutely gorgeous building and, yes, there was a service going on when we went in. Who cares?! If I ever go to Italy, I will visit the Vatican! The art, architecture, and sheer history of the place intrigues me! I also know that if the Pope ever came to Los Angeles, I'd go see him and would hope to be blessed by him (a Jewish woman I know did that). I'm not a religious person, I don't know if I believe in a god. I do have a spiritual side though, I don't think you have to be religious or believe in an almighty deity to be spiritual. It's not even my spiritual side thinking this about other faiths. How are we supposed to bring unity and peace to the world unless we integrate ourselves with our fellow humans? Not going to a church or making a Christian feel unwelcome in a temple is backwards thinking. I'd love to visit a Baptist church. You know, the kind where everybody is singing and dancing and having a wonderful time. Getting closer to their God through song and joy. It's beautiful to me, and I'd love to experience it! I'd love to just experience other people's faiths, it'll bring me closer to them. I think this is key to world peace, learning to not just accept but also respect other people's faiths and beliefs. Phillip is in the same mind frame...which really surprised me.

Everybody needs something to have faith in, whether it be a god\goddesses, multiple deities, nature, or even science (I have faith in nature and science). We can bash other people's views on faith, we have to learn to embrace it and respect it.

This is the same reason I can be friends with Republicans, even extreme Republicans. We respect each other's views. They might be Pro-Life and I might be Pro-Choice and we don't agree with each other on certain issues. We respect the other's right to an opinion though and we usually don't actually talk about these issues. I also recognize that not all Republicans are Bible thumpers and a lot actually care about the environment. This is why I like the Governator. He might be a Republican but I voted for him when he ran again (not originally). He's done a lot of good for this state and for the environment. He's not perfect but...I do like him, we could have done so much worse!

Wow, I really got on a soapbox didn't I?



:)

Thoughts? I'd happily welcome opening up a discussion on this post :3

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facecat
facecat
worst-case-scenario girl
Mon, Apr. 21st, 2008 10:15 pm (UTC)

he willingly admitted that Jesus was a Jew,
*sputters* huh? wait? what? I thought this was common knowledge? *mind is boggled*

Vatican City is amazing. The Sistine Chapel is truly awesome in the very meaning of the word. And while it seems as though Rome has a marble statue on every corner it is a very crowded & dirty city. Just ignore that part.


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witherwings7
witherwings7
Agent 27
Mon, Apr. 21st, 2008 10:24 pm (UTC)

A lot of people don't want to acknowledge it, and for the Pope to admit it...I loved it! Common knowledge but I guess it's not readily accepted (or the fact that the Last Supper was a Seder!)

I absolutely love history so I'd get all giddy just being there! I want to visit Rome so bad, so many places to go! Bridge of Sighs, and all the Roman Empire historical sites!


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facecat
facecat
worst-case-scenario girl
Mon, Apr. 21st, 2008 10:31 pm (UTC)

the Last Supper was a Seder
Hmmm, I never thought of it in that light but I'm not that familiar with Jewish custom. Would make sense tho.

I was only in Rome for 3 days on a pass from my duty station so I didn't get to see very much. But what I did see was well worth it. I hope you get there some day.


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witherwings7
witherwings7
Agent 27
Mon, Apr. 21st, 2008 10:35 pm (UTC)

The Last Supper coincided with the holiday of Passover. It almost always falls really close together now, except certain years because of the way the calenders are set up.
It would make sense ^_^

I hope so too :)


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weaz3l
weaz3l
Aleks
Mon, Apr. 21st, 2008 11:24 pm (UTC)

Oh my gosh. Seriously, I know how you feel. Back in high school, as you know, I attended a private born-again high school. Kids were constantly getting on one another for dating non born-agains. I was like "wtfbbq?". I still remember arguments over how I will not get into heaven or that I shouldn't be friends/date/socialize with so and so and that I shouldn't be going to such and such a church because zomigodz catholics worship idols.

People need to chill. I understand and respect your opinion on who you want to date and who you don't. In fact, I can only imagine how hard that must be on you. Luckily, I was born into a family who allowed me to explore religion on my own (honestly, I went from being atheist to wannabepagan back to atheist to my own mix of catholic/christians). I remember my grandma spazzing out, I forget exactly why, but there's some old catholic tradition that you can't accept the bread and wine when it's not your church (I still never found out if this is true or not because she's the only one who said this to me) and telling me I was a heathen for doing so. I don't understand people, I really don't.

Talon, one of my close friends, is pagan. Dani, my BFF, isn't anything. I never even THINK thoughts about if they will go to heaven or hell because who am I to say they even exist or what will happen to them. It upsets me so much when people judge others like that.

I honestly am totally embarrassed to admit that I am republican or catholic/christian because of the way they act when judging others. I mean, I know there are other good people like me who are accepting but those few people who are so extreme make it worse for the rest of us. It's why I don't attend church or college republican meetings anymore. I don't need to hear about how so and so is going to hell for having sex and so and so should be shot because they had an abortion, that's not my business.

And I have to say, most of my closer friendships (save for Dani) are those of my online friends like you and limeade. We may not talk all the time but I don't know what life would be like without you guys, and I don't want to know.


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weaz3l
weaz3l
Aleks
Mon, Apr. 21st, 2008 11:26 pm (UTC)

Oh and I forgot to add, Governator made me lol (or as much of a lol as one can do while without voice).


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witherwings7
witherwings7
Agent 27
Mon, Apr. 21st, 2008 11:33 pm (UTC)

It's a very common name for him x)


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weaz3l
weaz3l
Aleks
Tue, Apr. 22nd, 2008 01:32 am (UTC)

Haha, I haven't heard it before...or maybe I have and didn't make the connection. I quite enjoy it.


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witherwings7
witherwings7
Agent 27
Mon, Apr. 21st, 2008 11:33 pm (UTC)

My mother doesn't care that I'm not religious, she just doesn't want me to date a non-Jew. Warped priorities much? Heh

Right, I know you're a Republican and I'm totally cool with that. We might not share opinions on some stuff but we respect each other's right to have an opinion. People need to get off their high horse and realize that not everybody shares their world views.

I agree. I've known a lot of my LJ friends quite a long time, you included. I wouldn't want to know what my life would be like without those friendships.


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weaz3l
weaz3l
Aleks
Tue, Apr. 22nd, 2008 01:35 am (UTC)

Yeah, definitely, though I have to admit most republicans don't like me anyway and consider me a disgrace to them. *shrug* I didn't realize we weren't allowed to try and implement change (I said that and was promptly told to leave a meeting).

Oh and I totally forgot to mention, despite my distaste for some of the things born-again churches preach, they do that song and dance thing too. I love it. It makes me feel so much more uplifted and more spiritual than the somber catholic services I have attended, I mean, don't get me wrong but I believe we should celebrate life and not mourn death and that's pretty much what the main difference was between my two churches. I'd love to go to a Baptist Church as well.


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yodallama
yodallama
Jessi (Yoda to some)
Tue, Apr. 22nd, 2008 01:02 am (UTC)

ok, I totally know what you mean about the guy. I tend to over-analyze stuff like that too. Especially since I also have never had a real boyfriend. But I would say to try to just calm down about it and just...go with the flow. Enjoy hanging out with him, and if it becomes something more, than it becomes something more, and if not, then you have a new gamerfriend. In all reality, no, you probably won't marry this guy, BUT take comfort in the fact that if it did get serious, you know you wouldn't marry a guy you didn't love. And if you're in love, it won't matter so much what your family thinks. There'll be drama, but you guys will get through it. And it'll be easier because of the time you'll have together, if that makes sense. So have fun, see where things lead, and try not to worry about it too much =)


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evilcresyluna
evilcresyluna
Miss Celie of the North
Tue, Apr. 22nd, 2008 05:13 am (UTC)
more stories than discussion

I remembered my boyfriend's grandmother years ago, when Chris and I had only been dating like six months, saying "will there be problems with the wedding??"
Boyfriend: "What wedding? Problems?"
Grandma: "Your's! Because she's jewish!"
Boyfriend: "Huh? No, she's not, and we're not getting married, Grandma."
Grandma: "Oh. You're sure she's not Jewish? Because I always wanted my granchildren to be married at -insert tiny crazy catholic church-..."

I'm a small fraction Jewish, but he says he hadn't mentioned it to her prior, so this was entirely made up drama. Crazy relatives will make up crazy drama no matter the religion of who you're with. ;)

My dad is a presbyterian (although he very rarely goes to church, he flips out occasionally at random religious things - "Incense?? What kind of church has INCENSE??" "Throwing out a bible?? You can't! Even if it is covered in mold!") and my mom is a pagan, though she was pretty Christian when I was about 6-12 years old, then she decided to be all pagan again. I can't say my dad entirely approved, but I did have a pagan circle naming ceremony and was baptized.
Chris's dad was actually studying to be a priest, went to Vietnam, decided that view was bunk and became a pagan. His mom is very catholic, but pretty liberal and non-judgmental.

Anyway, other than my mom telling me one morning she had a horrible nightmare about me converting to some really conservative Christian religion, my family/upbringing never really made as much a deal about the religion of who I dated/married. I have trouble seeing, if someone isn't religious, why it would be a preference (other than to avoid family drama) to date a certain religion.
Personally I say get close to someone, you can deal with bigger issues when they come up.


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bellelvsbeast
bellelvsbeast
Officer Kelli
Thu, Apr. 24th, 2008 06:57 am (UTC)

Well to be completely honest, he hasn't even asked you out or anything so you shouldn't worry about this until the time comes. What's wrong with going on a date or two, just getting out there? If it DOES get serious, it won't be for a long time and it's not something you should stress about now. Also could you really throw a wonderful relationship away because the other person isn't Jewish? You could lose your one true love, the one you're supposed to be with. God tells us to accept all people, maybe he wants us to be with people of different religions so we can learn to accept others and stuff. Dan and I aren't the same religion. I am Catholic, he's Lutheran. It's not a big deal to us. Neither of us practice, I believe in some principles of the church but not all of them. So I honestly can't say I am full Catholic. I don't intend to raise my kids to be any one religion. I will take them to a Catholic church to show them what it's about and maybe also a Lutheran church to show them what their dad is. We haven't 100% percent discussed how we will raise our kids, but that's no reason to not get married and have a wonderful life. I mean we also don't share the same views on political stuff and that doesn't stop us either. I think if you like a person you be with the person, why let something stop you? Yes I know you religion or spirituality is important and your perfect mate will respect that, but why does HE have to think the same as you? What if you never find a Jew and you're alone forever? I wouldn't want that and I don't think you would too...
Just try to have an open mind about it...maybe your family will give you heck but who cares? It's not someone they have to spend their life with...they have no say, right??
And even if you DO get attached to your first boyfriend, what's the big deal? I was attached to mine, I almost married him but I didn't and we're friends. You're smart enough to make the decision if you want to be with a person forever. I know that. I dated many guys who I thought I would be with forever but things change. You never know so don't go into the relationship thinking it will be one way when it might go another...
OK off my soapbox...;)
Your family friends sound like asses, how awesome you got to spend all this time with them...:P
I can't believe that many people came over! I have never had that many people over!!! WOW!!! :)


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witherwings7
witherwings7
Agent 27
Thu, Apr. 24th, 2008 07:16 am (UTC)

Well, I was using him as an example for my stress for getting into any form of relationship with any non-Jew.
Again, I have no problems with dating a non-Jew, it's my family (with a few exceptions). My family hasn't excepted my sister-in-law and treats her like an outsider, my mother won't give my nephew a chance. I don't want that stress. Who knows, when the time comes and if I meet a non-Jew, I might say "screw it" and date him.
My faith and religion isn't as important to me as you think. Yes, I am proud to be a Jew but I'm not religious at all (I mentioned that). Well...my religion is important to me..but not for religious reasons. More of the history of my people or whatever...
I'm all for inter-religion marriage, I've mentioned that. I was stressing when I wrote this and brought out all my family rejection fears. So please don't think that I personally have a problem with dating a non-Jew (since my whole post was about unity amongst all religions).


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bellelvsbeast
bellelvsbeast
Officer Kelli
Wed, Apr. 30th, 2008 04:49 am (UTC)

Well I'm really glad you don't have a problem yourself with a non-Jewish boy to date.....I would hate for you to pass up on "the one" because of his religion. I know what you mean about your family making drama about it, but really only your mom would. Your brother would understand since he did the same thing. If your mom wants to be like that and miss out it's her problem.
I honestly don't care about someone's religion. Dan and I aren't the same and it doesn't matter to me. I don't plan to raise my kids as specifically one religion, I want them to be able to choose what they want to be. Buddhist? No prob, Jewish? SURE! :) I don't like the idea of choosing ones religion for them, which is kind of what parents do to their children...but that's just my opinion....:)


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